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11-Mar-88 15:08:28-PST,1470;000000000015
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From: "Nelson H.F. Beebe" <Beebe@SCIENCE.UTAH.EDU>
Subject: Version numbers in KCC
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It is traditional in TOPS-20 for systems programs to be able
to identify themselves via the EXEC "INFORMATION (about)
VERSION" command. KCC in <xxx.KCC.KCC>CCOUT.C outputs a
2-element PDV with the start and re-enter address; to get a
version number location, it should issue an "END
<3,,$$STRT>" instead of "END <2,,$$STRT>", and issue a 0
word for the 3rd entry. I patched the .FAI file of a simple
test program this way, and INFO VERSION now works. Would
you consider a change to KCC for the next release that does
this? It should be easy then to have some macros which
define a standard version number field at $$STRT+2.
While doing this, I discovered that
kcc -o foo foo.fai
makes kcc try to compile foo.fai as C code, instead of
invoking FAIL directly. Most Unix cc's recognize extensions
belonging to other languages (.p = Pascal, .f = Fortran, .r
= Ratfor, .s = assembly, etc), and call the correct
compiler. I think that KCC should too.
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11-Mar-88 15:59:32-PST,745;000000000001
Mail-From: KLH created at 11-Mar-88 15:59:31
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 88 15:59:30 PST
From: Ken Harrenstien <KLH@SRI-NIC.ARPA>
Subject: Re: Version numbers in KCC
To: Beebe@SCIENCE.UTAH.EDU
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Well, the part you think is easy is the hard one. How should a "version
number" be derived?
The only Unix convention I have seen is to have a character string
literal somewhere in the program which starts with 4 or so magic
char values. Should KCC look for those literals and hack them?
Should it use the file generation number? Should it recognize some
special nonportable keyword (yech)?
What does PCC do?
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11-Mar-88 17:35:29-PST,2620;000000000011
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From: "Nelson H.F. Beebe" <Beebe@SCIENCE.UTAH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Version numbers in KCC
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No, I don't want a Unix-style SCCS id; neither Unix nor VMS
have the concept of a version number in the header of an
executable program, which is a great pity. Try some time to
figure out which version of Fortran, C, or Pascal you have
on your VMS system; the only way I've found is to compile a
program with a listing option, then examine the page
headers.
What is want is what I see at TOPS-20 level:
@get sys:tputil.exe
@e 137
137/ 200500,,124
@i ver
College of Science DecSystem-20, TOPS-20 Monitor 6.1(7030)
TOPS-20 Command processor 5(712)
Program is TPUTIL, version is 5(124)-2
@; TPUTIL is a MACRO program with its version number at .jbver (0137)
@get system:exec.exe
@i mem
164. pages, Entry vector loc 10000 len 3
0-5 PS:<SYSTEM.5-4>EXEC.EXE.19 1-6 R, CW, E
10-227 PS:<SYSTEM.5-4>EXEC.EXE.19 7-226 R, E
400-412 PS:<SYSTEM.5-4>EXEC.EXE.19 227-241 R, CW, E
470 PS:<SYSTEM.5-4>EXEC.EXE.19 242 R, CW, E
554 PS:<SYSTEM.5-4>EXEC.EXE.19 243 R, CW, E
565 PS:<SYSTEM.5-4>EXEC.EXE.19 244 R, CW, E
@e 10002
10002/ 500,,712
@i ver
College of Science DecSystem-20, TOPS-20 Monitor 6.1(7030)
TOPS-20 Command processor 5(712)
Program is EXEC, version is 5(712)
@
@;EXEC has its version number in the entry vector (3rd word)
CC has a magic number in its version number field in the
entry vector. I'll have to dig into it to see what it is
putting there. I'd rather use KCC for systems programming
however.
I don't think you have to do anything extra other than
generate a 3-word entry vector by trivial changes in
CCOUT.C. I can always use a short #asm sequence to deposit
my desired version number into the 3rd slot at $$STRT+2.
I cannot think of a good C idiom to statically deposit a
value at a fixed memory address. Neither CC nor KCC will
compile
int *0137 = 0377123654321;
main()
{
printf("jbver = %d\n",*0137);
}
In the worst case, I can always generate a trivial .MAC or
.FAI file to set the version number, then load that with the
C program.
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11-Mar-88 18:25:01-PST,1466;000000000001
Mail-From: KLH created at 11-Mar-88 18:25:00
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 88 18:25:00 PST
From: Ken Harrenstien <KLH@SRI-NIC.ARPA>
Subject: Re: Version numbers in KCC
To: Beebe@SCIENCE.UTAH.EDU
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Perhaps this would be a place to use #pragma, as much as I hate the thing.
Mainly what I am trying to figure out is which of the following would be
best:
(1) V# automatically generated, say from the main() file's version #
(this isn't difficult)
(2) V# specified by the main() file using some KCC-specific idiom, programmer
is responsible for the values provided. Do-able, main objection
is the non-portability.
(3) V# derived from a sccsid literal string (this is do-able).
(4) V# associated with each module of the program, or just with the one
that contains main().
(5) What components should the "version #" have? Just numbers, or
allow alphas?
I have already been considering using the PDV to help with PSECTs.
Primarily, I would like to use some mechanism that has a ghost of a
chance at being portable to other systems, which probably means a
macro obtained from a <versio.h> file and invoked by the main()
module. It should also not interfere with attempts to compare object
files produced by re-compilation (that is, it should not change in the
binary unless the source changes, at the very least).
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11-Mar-88 22:27:19-PST,1981;000000000005
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From: "Nelson H.F. Beebe" <Beebe@SCIENCE.UTAH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Version numbers in KCC
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For TOPS-20, I need to get specific numbers into the version
field in .jbver, and these numbers will in general bear no
relation whatever to the file generation numbers, so precise
control over the contents is needed. I don't think an
automatic scheme based on file versions/dates is of much
use, inasmuch as most significant programs are built from
many source files, and one of then cannot be usefully
singled out to determine the version number.
It is not evident that one can do much for other systems,
since they lack the concept of a version number for an
executable program. In Unix, the SCCS ID string is often
used, but lots of folks do not use sccs. In VAX VMS and MS
DOS, there is nothing equivalent. At run-time, my DVI
drivers print a message like "[TeX82 DVI Driver Version
2.10b]"; what I want to do is change to a scheme where there
is a major, minor, and edit number, and those numbers will
be displayed in that message at run-time, as well as be
determinable on TOPS-20 from the EXEC "INFORMATION VERSION"
command.
#pragma is no good, because most C preprocessors die at #
lines they cannot understand, EVEN IF INSIDE #if ... #endif
blocks that would not otherwise be processed. That is why
#pragma and #error are completely useless in portable C
code.
I'd be happy just to have the 3-element PDV so I can get my
own version word installed transparently to the rest of the
code.
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